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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #13 on: Today at 02:41:41 PM »


Yes the Asian (South Korean's) sure have lots too offer in the under 100hp range for sure.  Looked at a Kioti last month the largest they offer here currently - 110hp  engine, 93hp pto.  Sure it was nice, nice fit and finish, had a lot of emissions stuff on it too though.  Trans had 32 gears and a hi/lo power shift on the stick with F/R power shuttle which would be nice. The way it was spec'd out they wanted $90K. This Kioti I saw would be comparable to the MTZ 952 I guess.  That kioti is pretty loaded up with electronics so a little different then the simplicity of the MTZ952. Depends I guess on what yeah need to get the job done. MTZ's niche market is more of the simple design in inclined allowing to repair on farm like it used to be with any brand.

As a reference. New MTZ 952 with shuttle is about 46,200 USD (61,000 CAD). Demo units , when available, dealers sell for less.

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2019, 08:41:07 PM »
Arie515 yes, agree that financing is smoke and mirrors, however it does help get in the customers. Kinda like a pretty lady giving out rotten apples. Temptation may draw you in. . . . . . .

Damengineer: in the past I've been able to get ahold of previous owners of machinery purchased via the dealer. Would you be able to do that at all to find out why they split such a low housed tractor around it's first oil change? Would there be any chance they forgot the throwout bearing from factory? Also what about just fitting in a 12volt gear reduction starter and eliminating the series parallel switch and wiring your batteries parallel. It would make a simple system even simpler and more foolproof. Both batteries would be charged at the same time and you would have lots of amperage for all your electrical devices. Hopefully you can get your white Russian up and going trouble free relatively soon. It's sure nice to hear that the dealers are helping out, and not just looking to make another sale like the bigger bigger shops are nowadays.

Haymaker: sounds about like the Deere I've got leased now. 6 service calls in 10 months. All for switches and sensors. I won't be owning this machine after the warranty is up that's for sure. Even the windshield wipers were controlled via the computer and wouldn't go off for 3 days.

Sorry I don't no how to capture the quotes, technology just douesnt interest me. The older I'm getting the simpler I like things. I'm just not back to running a donkey and cart yet, at least untill the kids are older and out of the house lol.

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2019, 02:28:53 PM »
The 102 I let go 5 or 6 years ago. Can't remember what it had for gears anymore, but I do remember you had to put the gearshift all the way left and then jam it up for high range, and down for low range. Reverse was all the way right I think and down . . . . . Don't quote me on it tho. I used it for 2 years, and only put about 11.68$ into for a new heater switch. The pto was slipping pretty bad at that point, and clutch was on its way out when a neighbor offered me what I had paid for it. Last I heard it's still sitting in his driveshed awaiting those repairs. As for the shuttle shift, yeah they are nice. I've run enough older stuff tho that it a deal breaker tho. I see on the new 952 they have a mechanical left hand reverser anyway. Dry clutch can be good or bad, it depends on operator. One fellow around the block always rode his and used it as a brake - they lasted 200hrs. Another fellow up the road just had his 1st one replaced in a Deere 5420 2wd loader tractor at 8000hrs. It's unfortunate that belarus and some other eastern block brands kinda left the scene in north America for 15yrs. It allowed the Asian tractors to get a foothold and gain their market share. It may be a tough road to get back what they once had. Perhaps if they ever increase their warranty, have free loader promotions, and financing incentives like the other ag tractor makers the horizon will get brighter. It's hard to compete with all that stuff and keep costs down I realize. It seems only the diehards will run a belarus now. I was really hoping for more feedback from new owners than seem to be replying. I no they gotta be out there somewhere . . . . . . .

Yes the Asian (South Korean's) sure have lots too offer in the under 100hp range for sure.  Looked at a Kioti last month the largest they offer here currently - 110hp  engine, 93hp pto.  Sure it was nice, nice fit and finish, had a lot of emissions stuff on it too though.  Trans had 32 gears and a hi/lo power shift on the stick with F/R power shuttle which would be nice. The way it was spec'd out they wanted $90K. This Kioti I saw would be comparable to the MTZ 952 I guess.  That kioti is pretty loaded up with electronics so a little different then the simplicity of the MTZ952. Depends I guess on what yeah need to get the job done. MTZ's niche market is more of the simple design in inclined allowing to repair on farm like it used to be with any brand.

Grain trucker this week commented on my old CASE tractors and my old Belarus running the auger . said that thing is probably indestructible lol!  I said yeah pretty much and  when its cold out I only use it to load.  Trucker said before he hauled grain he worked for another company hauling ag equipment for JD and CIH dealers in Ontario.  Says it seemed all he did was run "new" tractors and stuff back to the dealers for warranty work with "issues" they had to iron out.  Says it was mostly electrical type stuff.
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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 08:57:16 AM »
My 1220.4 now has nearly 200 hours on it.  If there was a retrofit for a F/R shuttle It would be well worth it.  Matching Forward and Reverse speeds requires a lot of shifting, and that range/reverse gearbox is a pain to shift if over 1000 RPM.  This may be due to drag from incorrect clutch the former dealer installed.  Why it was installed we will never know. 

The other concern I have is the Voltage Convertor used to charge the auxiliary battery.   The 24V start cannot be beat in cold weather.  However, on mine,it appears the aux batttery is not being charged when the lights or fan is on.   I have forwarded a drawing and picture of the way I would reconnect the charging system with a 24V alternator.  If anyone has had this experience I wold like their opinion.  This is the way we used to change over the old John Deere 24Volt stat 12V run tractors.


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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 07:03:07 PM »
Perhaps if they ever increase their warranty, have free loader promotions, and financing incentives like the other ag tractor makers the horizon will get brighter. It's hard to compete with all that stuff and keep costs down I realize.

Warranty is now 2yrs/2,00 hrs. Extended power train warranty is available up to 5 yrs/5,000 hrs

Look pass all this marketing clutter, at the bottom line: What's the total cost of the tractor, what will be the monthly payment. All else is smoke and mirrors.

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 07:00:48 PM »
Few points:
1) Old owners: call us, we can connect you with farmers who put over 15-20,000 hours. I know a farmer in MB who put over 30,000 hours (no misprint) on his 825, will not trade it. He bought a new MTZ 952 couple of years ago very happy with it.
2) New owners: most happy, especially when they service the tractor on time. Cab is quiter, synchronised gear box is esasier to shift.


3) Is it a good loader tractor. MTZ 1220 does not have proper shuttle, although F/R are opposite each other, some use it as "shuttle like" arrangement.
New MTZ 920/952 offer a very nice mechanical shuttle to the left of the seat, see photos attached

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 02:36:26 PM »
The 102 I let go 5 or 6 years ago. Can't remember what it had for gears anymore, but I do remember you had to put the gearshift all the way left and then jam it up for high range, and down for low range. Reverse was all the way right I think and down . . . . . Don't quote me on it tho. I used it for 2 years, and only put about 11.68$ into for a new heater switch. The pto was slipping pretty bad at that point, and clutch was on its way out when a neighbor offered me what I had paid for it. Last I heard it's still sitting in his driveshed awaiting those repairs. As for the shuttle shift, yeah they are nice. I've run enough older stuff tho that it a deal breaker tho. I see on the new 952 they have a mechanical left hand reverser anyway. Dry clutch can be good or bad, it depends on operator. One fellow around the block always rode his and used it as a brake - they lasted 200hrs. Another fellow up the road just had his 1st one replaced in a Deere 5420 2wd loader tractor at 8000hrs. It's unfortunate that belarus and some other eastern block brands kinda left the scene in north America for 15yrs. It allowed the Asian tractors to get a foothold and gain their market share. It may be a tough road to get back what they once had. Perhaps if they ever increase their warranty, have free loader promotions, and financing incentives like the other ag tractor makers the horizon will get brighter. It's hard to compete with all that stuff and keep costs down I realize. It seems only the diehards will run a belarus now. I was really hoping for more feedback from new owners than seem to be replying. I no they gotta be out there somewhere . . . . . . .

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2019, 09:41:28 AM »
I'm wondering the same thing... What concerns me is the difference in price between a new tractor from the dealer vs the auction prices of "demo" tractors.  You might as well wait till an auction to buy?  There's little feedback from owners.  A dealer's got a 2013 1220 with 400Hrs for $38000.  Does no one want to drive these or put them to work?  I had a 925 which everyone hated to run.  I never had any problem operating it, it had a comfortable seat, lots of power, ran great, extremely loud, and I put around 300 hrs/yr on it.  We also had a 500 which was our largest tractor for many years.  It also did reasonably well, considering the overall investment.   I don't think these tractors would make a practical loader tractor, especially if you're talking 1000HRS/YR.  You just don't see many high houred examples out there.  Just sayin.

They're not many used MTZ tractors out there to be found I find. As anyone running an older Belarus knows they are cheapest farm hp to be found if you can find decent used ones still. They are by no means comfy to drive but they get the job done.  In My operation I don't put a pile of hrs on a year on each tractor but I need several for haying as they are all used at once. I got 4 tractors and some days in the fall with harvest and haying going all at once I wish I had 5!!

A MTZ for a loader tractor putting on 1000+ hrs a year or something . no not ideal when there is so many tractors out there to choose from with hydraulic shuttle shifts. I have a tractor with a shuttle shift and it is sweet. I wish I had a loader on it some days

How ever like anything the shuttle shift clutches over time do wear out depending on use and would be more $$ to repair then a simple MTZ dry clutch.  I've seen guys burn out dry clutches in under 500hrs (any brand) and some run them over 5000hrs. feeding cows hay bales.  But with all that said as good and nice to run as a say a new Fendt/JD/MF etc 130hp MFD loader tractor is  feed lots by me switched to using wheel loaders like 20 years ago for the hard loader work as being built for loader work wheel loaders  stand up way better vs  farm MFD loader tractors  there is no comparison.   So I guess it depends on how many hrs a year you're gonna be using it.  Lots of hrs - heavy loader work- buy a wheel loader.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 09:05:08 AM »
That was my concern. Besides last week's sales on auction time I can only recall a used 1523 on the agdealer last year. Now I see they have some new 2019 models listed. Was nobody buying up the 2014 models first imported? We had a 611 that was ok, and a 102 that was quite decent as well. If I can ever get out from this green machine I'd definitely consider another belarus if the new ones held up like my old girls did. Zetor has started to price themselves out of the market, and I just read were they've now laid off 40% of their staff. I did see that model you mentioned for 38000$, seems like a decent buy if everything Was working on it and a fellow had some spare money to spend.

How does that 102 work for yeah?  That 102 has the 24 speed trans does it not? http://www.belarus.ca/legacy/Resources/100-102EnBC.pdf

AS for the new ones no not a lot of feed back in North America it seems. I'm sure if you call MTZ head office they could hook you up with some recent buyers to chat with.  This came up on their face book page https://www.facebook.com/mtztractors/posts/mtz-belarus-made-tractors-mtz-1220-interesting-discussion-on-a-mjor-ag-forumwhen/613643362132839/

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Re: New mtz reviews
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 08:32:09 PM »
That was my concern. Besides last week's sales on auction time I can only recall a used 1523 on the agdealer last year. Now I see they have some new 2019 models listed. Was nobody buying up the 2014 models first imported? We had a 611 that was ok, and a 102 that was quite decent as well. If I can ever get out from this green machine I'd definitely consider another belarus if the new ones held up like my old girls did. Zetor has started to price themselves out of the market, and I just read were they've now laid off 40% of their staff. I did see that model you mentioned for 38000$, seems like a decent buy if everything Was working on it and a fellow had some spare money to spend.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 01:22:20 PM »
I'm wondering the same thing... What concerns me is the difference in price between a new tractor from the dealer vs the auction prices of "demo" tractors.  You might as well wait till an auction to buy?  There's little feedback from owners.  A dealer's got a 2013 1220 with 400Hrs for $38000.  Does no one want to drive these or put them to work?  I had a 925 which everyone hated to run.  I never had any problem operating it, it had a comfortable seat, lots of power, ran great, extremely loud, and I put around 300 hrs/yr on it.  We also had a 500 which was our largest tractor for many years.  It also did reasonably well, considering the overall investment.   I don't think these tractors would make a practical loader tractor, especially if you're talking 1000HRS/YR.  You just don't see many high houred examples out there.  Just sayin.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 01:20:13 PM »
I have no compliants about the way my 1220.4 handles round bales feeding cattle.  The gearshift options for F/R shuttle is not the best situation for speed of moving material.   See my post on 1220.4 clutch problems..
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 12:41:47 PM »
Good morning and happy New Year's every body. Was just wondering if there is any new reviews out there on mtz tractors or if people could share their experiances. All I can seem to find on Google is a few years old. Wondering how they are holding up vs the older belarus units, or if many are even selling anymore in north america. Would they hold up well to 1000hrs use yearly feeding cattle, Etc?